Comments on the Zimmerman case
comments have come in since yesterday responding to various entries that I am putting them all in this one entry.
Gerald M. writes:
Like many, I was taken aback by the demeanor of the the female prosecutor, Angela Cory. I had the feeling—every 30 seconds or so during her press conference—that she was actually saying, “Look at ME! Ain’t I GREAT?” As well as, “After I’m on Oprah a few times, I’ll be running for governor or senator off this golden opportunity—real soon!” I was switching back and forth between MSNBC and FOX. Bill Oreilly called her “jaunty.” The MSNBC legal commentators fell all over themselves, gushing about how masterful her performance was, although one (a man) noted the murder 2 charge was “aggressive.”
Aggressive in the sense—he later explained—that 2nd degree murder would be very difficult to prove, while a lesser manslaughter charge could be included in the formal indictment, is easier to prove, and might well be what she is really planning a conviction on.
But murder 2 brings her plenty of positive press and (for the moment) gratitude from the black community. Also, as others have pointed out, it quite possibly dispels the spectre of Rodney King type riots which might have erupted if a) she had tried for a 1st degree murder indictment (requiring a grand jury) and the jury refused to indict, or b) she had gone for a lower but more realistic charge like manslaughter that failed to satiate the blood-lust of the “black community.”
An especially egregious pander was her reference to the “sweet parents of Trayvon.”
Yes, a sterling example of the modern, strong, smart, professional woman in action.
James P. writes:
The radio announcement of the charging of Zimmerman was all about Trayvon—what his supporters think and how his family feels.
Zimmerman might as well not even be a person with feelings and a family of his own!
All that’s left is the Soviet style show trial, in which Zimmerman breaks down blubbering and confesses everything, followed by liquidation and erasure from the historical record.
Mel R. writes:
We here in Tulsa will be visited by the Race Hustling “Reverends” this weekend because an American Indian shot and killed some blacks in a revenge killing over Easter weekend.
The CNNs of the world, who were camped out here last week stirring up trouble, want a riot. I believe they will get one eventually. The people of Florida are a little less cowered by blacks than New Yorkers so I think the Injustice Department is going to find it very hard to find 12 jurors to convict on 2nd degree murder. Not that the Injustice Department will not go all Stalin on Zimmerman during the “trial.”
I believe the ruling elite have gone all in on this and will have miscalculated. There is too much alternative sources of news these days to spin the upcoming black mayhem in any other light than what it is. I also believe there will be a significant number of white elites affected in physical ways by the hell that will burn across the U.S. I can only hope that Lowry and Goldberg and their ilk are caught up in the diversity “lovefest.”
What will be interesting is the reaction from the Hispanics. That is an unknown that I cannot predict.
I will be even more careful going forward than I already am when I am out in public.
A reader writes:
In 1968, my family went through a variation on this theme of “the 13th juror.” My brother made a poor decision in staking out our plant after firing an employee, expecting him to return and steal tools and the like.
Taking a long story and making it considerably shorter, he shot two people. One died, the other, sad to say, survived. They were completely unrelated to the firing or to the person fired. These two had very clearly trespassed and were indeed trying to steal things. The problem: we’re white folks and successful. The “victims” were both Mexican. Both had arrest records that were lengthy. While the sheriffs were doing whatever it is they do at crime scenes, the sheriff was about as frank as he could be. “Mr. Blank, if this had happened three months ago, there’d hardly be a hearing. But there’s an election in June and the DA is campaigning like mad for the Mexican vote. You’re (anglo-saxon word regarding reproduction).”
There were some demonstrations led by the local Professional Mexicans, and the DA went for the big Murder 1. The outcome was 90 days in a state prison hospital to find out of he was nuts, and then seven years of probation during which he didn’t even carry a nail clipper. His record is allegedly expunged because his probation officer saw this whole thing as the sham it was. But we know how expunged records come back.
I have thoughts on what should happen in the Zimmerman case, but will keep my own counsel.
Jeff C. writes:
Although I haven’t contributed cash to View from the right, your coverage of the Martin/Zimmerman story led me to contribute more that I might have to George Zimmerman, here.
The treatment of Zimmerman reminds me of another moment.
Alan M. writes:
I am personally sickened by what is happening with the Zimmerman case. I guess I had hoped that those involved would realize how insane charging him with anything would be. However, seeing Eric Holder’s brazen face on TV today (I was in a situation I could not evade it) shocked me. The calm,matter of fact manner he presented was so at odds with the utter evil he was perpetrating/supporting. It had an impact on me I have not experienced before. Evil incarnate. That is the face of the new tyranny—calm, respectable, reasonable.
Gerald M. writes:
Mark Jaws says that that most white men or women would not vote to convict. Right about the men. Not at all sure about white women in a case like this. They can show their friends and neighbors and the whole wide world they’re not racist by convicting the murderer of an innocent black boy. And who says the prosecutors won’t go for a 100 percent black and female jury? Zimmerman’s lawyers will have to be willing to play the race card—aggressively seeking to get as many white males as possible on the jury—if they are to have a reasonable chance of acquittal. (Or at least a hung jury.) If they do so, they will take tremendous heat, much of it later in their careers, and they will know this going in to jury selection.
Paul K. writes:
“Corey has described Martin’s family as “lovely people.”“
Do two parents who divorced 13 years ago constitute a family? I guess I’m not up on current usage.
Roland D. writes:
One has to wonder if Zimmermann will opt to take his own life, rather than face what seems to be a pre-ordained conviction at the state level, the Federal level, or both.
His erratic behavior—i.e., holing up out of contact with his own attorneys, then dismissing his seemingly competent legal team in favor of someone who doesn’t appear to have a clue as to how to comport himself as a defense attorney—certainly gives pause.
Roland D. writes:
My guess is that the Florida “special prosecutor” deliberately overcharged Zimmermann with an eye to getting him to accept a plea-bargain down to manslaughter.
Over the last two decades or so, it has become de rigeur for prosecutors to ridiculously overcharge defendants, hoping that something will “stick,” either through plea-bargaining or at trial, if it comes to that. Prosecutors do not care about justice; they care about conviction statistics, so any tactic which allows them to secure a “win,” irrespective of the facts of the situation, is considered fair game.
If Zimmermann caves and accepts a plea-bargain, the prosecutor gets her victory without the messiness and unpredictability of a trial, she becomes an instant hero to the racial lobby, and there’s always a good possibility that Zimmermann might well end up being murdered in prison, which would please the mob to no end.
Roland D. writes:
From the L.A. Times story about the indictment:
On Tuesday, someone shot up an empty police car parked near Zimmerman’s neighborhood. On Wednesday, African American resident Troy Jackson, 43, said he might participate in a riot if there were no charges. “I’m going to loot every Caucasian store,” he said, sitting in front of a grocery store in the majority-black Goldsboro community. “Blood for blood.”
But as the news of the arrest trickled out, there was a palpable sense of relief.
“I feel like this is the beginning of seeing justice prevail,” said Sanford resident Gloria Baskerville, 54.
Nik S. writes:
Trayvon’s mother thinks shooting was “accident” and wants apology from Zimmerman
After all that—all the Al Franken/Blavk Panther bullshit … Martin’s mom thinks it was an “accident.”
Hard to believe.
I saw this too. She demands Zimmerman’s arrest for murder, then when he’s arrested for murder, she says she thinks the death was an accident. I don’t know what this means, except that she is, to paraphrase Obama’s remark about his grandmother, a typical black person—i.e., she’s an incoherent ranter.
Neil Parille writes:
This is incredible (go to the end). Interesting given that they parents met with the prosecutor.
Has anyone asked Martin’s parents or their attorney “what happened” in the moments leading up to the shooting?
John Press writes:
George Zimmerman has been branded a nut because he called 911 46 times over a period of about eight years. But, he was not a lone nut. The community knew he was a neighborhood watch leader. What kind of neighborhood needs an active neighborhood watch. The people understood the need for patrolling. People will say, watching for criminals is racist or paranoid. But, apparently the police also didn’t disparage Zimmerman for calling so many times. The authorities understood that vigilance, if not vigilantes, were necessary in this neighborhood. And, they likely did not arrest him as they understood the violent persons in that neighborhood. The important point in this story may turn out to be that some communities live under siege.
Mike Tyson on George Zimmerman: ‘It’s a disgrace he hasn’t been shot yet’
This is bound to have a serious chilling effect on “community-mindedness” in the future. Who will ever want to arm themselves and patrol neighbourhoods after witnessing the Trayvon affair? Who actually appointed Zimmerman in his volunteer role? Is there a national organization for these kinds of (now) self-sacrificial community-minded roles in our society?
This is the home-equivalent of our international allies siding with the U.S., believing that a deal is a deal and that friends and relationships can be trusted and depended on, until the day when the U.S. decides to throw them under the bus, witness Gaddafi, Mubarak, Shah of Iran, and many others.
Wayne Lutton writes:
Sharpton says he “did not trust Gov. Scott,” but he did his job—TheHill.com
A fine endorsement.
Neil Parille writes:
On the audio, one of the interesting things that Z’s previous attorney pointed out was that it doesn’t appear that Z disregarded the police dispatcher’s “order” not to follow Martin. After the dispatcher tells him “we don’t need you to do that” in response to Martin’s affirmative answer to the question of whether he is following Martin, Z says “OK.” Then there is discussion about how the police are on their way and Z will meet them at the mail boxes. It doesn’t sound like Z is following Martin (no panting for example).
Unfortunately I’m having a hard time finding a good map of the community to determine where the mail boxes and Z’s truck are.
Rick Darby writes:
Nicholas Stix writes, “Thus, the only thing Zimmerman can do to protect his life, is to flee the country. Since his mother was a Peruvian citizen, he may be recognized there as a citizen, and could in any event petition the government for asylum, on the basis of his political persecution.”
As if. Someone looking at Murder Two in such a high-profile case wouldn’t be likely to get bail, or it would be set at a staggering amount. But even if Mr. Zimmerman is bailed out, he won’t dare go home to collect his passport (if he has one) and could hardly travel unobtrusively.
We are going to need a White Underground Railroad for all the defendants BRA would like to stitch up.
Black criminals in jail are waiting for George Zimmerman. This might sound a bit drastic but I honestly believe that Zimmerman should have fled the USA. He didn’t because he himself was smitten by the diversity crew and now he’s the hate figure of modern liberal America. He should have changed his identity completely (e.g. name, residence, passport) and sought asylum in another country when it wasn’t too late.
Peru is the country of his mother and since George Zimmerman is half Peruvian and speaks Spanish, plus his mother has citizenship in Peru, he should have applied for political asylum there. He should have changed his idendity too.
James R. writes:
Paul K. wrote:
“Do two parents who divorced 13 years ago constitute a family? I guess I’m not up on current usage.”
In the vibrant, diverse community into which innocent, underprivileged and deprived urban youths are born, where it’s a small miracle if a mother can even pick the father of even one of her chidren out on a crowded street, the Martins are practically the model of familial bliss.
James R. writes:
I know it’s a sin but I’m dispirited. If you were to advise someone on where it might be wise to emigrate, what would you suggest? I’m a Westerner, but the West as a whole seems to be lost in what you’ve termed Trayvanity. I’d emigrate to Japan—for all its problems and “otherness,” it is still sane in understanding a sense of itself (ironically, they’d have to be willing to accept me, an “other,”—they do accept some), but I don’t speak or read Japanese.
Posted by Lawrence Auster at April 12, 2012 01:49 PM | Send
A while back someone wrote to the effect that it was too late to do anything through normal political processes, but too soon to do anything outside of them. It will be too soon there until it is also too late (and the result would be too deplorable to seriously contemplate). To continue to live here is to subject ourselves to the increasing threat and danger which is always directed at a despised people. I think anyone with children should be particularly alarmed, especially since things will get worse unless there is a deus ex machina to change them. This indeed is why people look almost with hope for some crisis that will be a “game changer.” It is all the hope that remains. “In the meantime it is possible to live well” was uttered over 20 years ago—that period is passing, though, yet again, too slowly for people to be propelled into doing anything about it. It is true, as some commenters have pointed out, that elites don’t “do” anything to us that we ultimately didn’t let them do, but “the people,” contrary to leftist mythologizing of them, really only act under serious, direct pressure, and their momentum is easily lost as they return to their daily lives (see for example the Tea Party movement, which still exists, yes, but is already not nearly the force that it was two years ago and now probably will not even remove Obama from office, much less reverse any of these dire trends—and the Tea Party was never mobilized to oppose “Trayvanity”—it consciously avoided anything smacking of that, already having been burned with the charge of racism simply for opposing progressive fiscal policies).