Something else in Bachmann’s favor
Bruce B. writes:
Here’s a reason to support Michelle Bachmann (at least over Palin). Her children have good, old fashioned names instead of goofy, trendy names. Lucas, Harrison, Elisa, Caroline, and Sophia. A couple of them are even Christian names.
“Here’s a reason to support Michelle Bachmann (at least over Palin).”JC writes:
Actually more than a couple; perhaps even all.Eric E. writes:
Elizabeth (Elisava) was the mother of John the Baptist. Jewish. And Elizabeth Taylor was Jewish.LA replies:
But wasn’t the name Elizabeth in the Gospel of Luke a Christianized version of the Hebrew name, which you identify as Elisava, the same way Mary is a Christianized version of the Hebrew name Miriam?Eric E. continues:
Betty, Bette, Bethany, Bess are all variants of Elizabeth and there are plenty of Jewish Betties. Bette Midler, Lauren Bacall actually Betty Bacall, Betty Friedan, Bethenny Frankel, Betty Boop (created by Max Fleischer), Bess Myerson (Elizabeth I was also known as “Good Queen Bess”).LA writes:
The fact that various modern Jews are named variants of Elizabeth doesn’t make Elizabeth a Jewish name. For example, William Kristol is Jewish; but that doesn’t make William a Jewish name. I was born and raised Jewish; but that doesn’t make Lawrence a Jewish name. Many Jewish parents give their children Christian-style, or least non-Jewish, names.Eric writes:
“I was born and raised Jewish; but that doesn’t make Lawrence a Jewish name.”LA replies:
My point was that the name Lawrence is a Christian-origin name, entering and spreading through our culture from the name of a Christian saint. And that remains the case, no matter how many Jewish people have the name Lawrence or Larry.Ron W. writes:
So let me get this straight. The Christians got you and the Jews got Elizabeth Taylor? Did the Christians get any future draft choices in this deal or was it a one for one trade?JC writes:
The fact of the matter is that the English name, Elizabeth, is indisputably derived from Elisheva, which is indisputably a Hebrew name. Although people might not think of Elizabeth or Mary or even Jesus as Hebrew names, they are in fact. Many common English names are translations of Hebrew names or have Hebrew origins—often translated from the Hebrew via Greek, like Elizabeth. If the association is now admittedly Christian (or even simply a English name for girls) that has no effect on where it came from. It is Hebrew. Whether or not it is currently a Jewish name is, obviously, a matter of debate.LA writes:
This exchange reminds me of a time I was having dinner with Jared Taylor (full name Samuel Jared Taylor) and Samuel Francis in the early ’90s. I remarked to them how funny it was, that they, born Christian, had Hebrew names, while I, Lawrence Matthew Auster, born Jewish, had Christian names, indeed the names of Christian saints.Allan Wall writes:
The flippant way in which so many Americans name their children, with no regard for the history, etymology or cultural significance of the names, bothers me. It heartens me therefore to see on VFR that it bothers other people also.
I think that it’s interesting that you mentioned Jews commonly using Christian names (e.g. Lawrence and Matthew) for their children. I’ve also noticed that old-fashioned Anglo-Saxon names, e.g. Harold, Henry, Harvey, Arthur, are very common among Jews, particularly older Jews. Doesn’t this refute the whole “Culture of Critique” thesis? It’s obvious to me that most Jews (a few intellectual elites aside) didn’t develop a “Culture of Critique” with respect to WASP America. If they did, they wouldn’t have named their children that way.
Posted by Lawrence Auster at July 20, 2011 04:03 PM | Send