One third of French rooting for Hussein

We saved France from the Nazis—for this? A poll in Le Monde shows that only a third of the French feel that they are on the same side as the Americans and British, and that another third of the French desire outright Iraqi victory over “les anglo-saxons.”

Meanwhile, a poll by The Times finds that 54 per cent of Britons no longer regard France as a close ally because of its opposition to the war.

Posted by Lawrence Auster at April 02, 2003 01:26 AM | Send
    

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I just read where one of our WWII cemeteries has been desecrated by anti-American slogans. These people deserve to live under the Islamic boot … and it’s only a matter of time.

Posted by: Carl on April 2, 2003 9:55 AM

One point in all the goings-on with the French that I find fascinating is that the French media elite, intellectuals and academics, and so on, support their country. Since when did it become permissible for them to do so, and under a “rightist” president even? Would that our elites could show the same patriotic feelinf the French do.

Posted by: Gracián on April 2, 2003 12:05 PM

“These people deserve to live under the Islamic boot—and it’s only a matter of time.”

The question of what the French deserve and the question of what sort of world we Americans would find tolerable to live in are two different questions. The French may well deserve to come under the Islamic boot—but what happens to our whole civilization, and to America itself, if that happened? That’s why I feel we must do what we can to save the French from themselves, not because they deserve to be saved, but because our own safety and freedom are at risk as well.

Posted by: Lawrence Auster on April 2, 2003 12:23 PM

If current trends continue, it is going to happen to us as well.

Posted by: David on April 2, 2003 2:11 PM

“If current trends continue, it is going to happen to us as well.” — David

If Pres. Bush, Karl Rove, and the head of the Ford Foundation can read, I strongly suggest they read David’s post, above. It’s short and to the point, and not hard to understand.

Posted by: Unadorned on April 2, 2003 4:39 PM

“If Pres. Bush, Karl Rove, and the head of the Ford Foundation can read, I strongly suggest they read David’s post, above. It’s short and to the point, and not hard to understand.”

But the thing is, Unadorned, that that’s the case not just with the belief in the mass immigration of unassimilables, but with ALL liberal/leftist illusions. IT IS NOT HARD to understand their falsity and destructiveness. And yet entire societies embrace them and continue embracing them despite the resulting disasters. It is a mystery at the heart of modern Western civilization, which I believe has to do with the rejection of God and transcendent truth, and the need for a substitute God. So, as long as the rebellion against God continues, the need to believe in the liberal substitutes also continues.

Posted by: Lawrence Auster on April 2, 2003 5:06 PM

If I had to bet, I would bet on the following mundane solution to the mystery of why the West is changing the way it is. People in the West are acting in accordance with human nature, which is to take the path of least resistance in the face of powerful forces. Some of the forces are comfortable lifestyles, safe abortions, birth control pills, socialism (the welfare state), low birth rates, democracy, the U.S. Supreme Court, a half-century monopoly of the media by liberals, sharing a large border with a populous poor country, and the modern nobility—greedy corporations, politicians, and rich people.

Although there is necessity in determining the false parts of particular ideologies such as liberalism and anti-racism, that is unfortunately the easy part. Getting safe and comfortable people to give up (or even merely risk) their safety and comfort in a fight against these false ideologies is the remaining 95% of the solution to the mystery.

A vivid example in the last week made these ideas seem true. An older relative that was a staunch traditionalist said it would probably be better if we were all one race. She is tired of all this fighting and “just wants everybody to get along.” When I pointed out she was actually wishing either for a utopia or for everyone to be just like her, she took offense. She said she really did not understand what I was talking about or what was happening. She then again said it would make things easier if there were only one race. (I’ll keep working on her, which means I will need to keep revisiting this site.)

Posted by: P Murgos on April 2, 2003 7:06 PM

I agree with Mr. Murgos that the sheer fact of comfort—cushioning people from reality and from the warning signs that are all around them—is probably a major factor in the Western suicide.

At the same time, is not extraordinary comfort also a factor in people’s rejection of God? Take the English for example. It has sometimes struck me that the reason the English have become so extremely secular is that they feel themselves to be so well situated, so well made and so self-sufficient, that they no longer look beyond themselves.

So it would seem that great comfort cushions people, not only from bad news, but from the Good News.

Posted by: Lawrence Auster on April 2, 2003 8:15 PM

there are so many painful generalizations and misconceptions in this post and its comments i almost don’t know where to start.

for one, iraqi rule is most definitely not the same thing as islamic rule. there are roughly one billion muslims around the world, the vast majority of whom are entirely peaceful and not affiliated in any way with al qaeda, bin laden, hussein, or any similar organizations or people.

“…the French media elite, intellectuals and academics, and so on, support their country. Since when did it become permissible for them to do so, and under a ‘rightist’ president even?” what does being liberal have to do with needing permission to agree with a leader? rightist or not, if he is anti-war, why would anybody need it to be “permissible” to side with him?

finally, why do you refer to leftist/liberal concepts as “illusions”? you say that it is a rebellion against god of sorts, and yet i know many strongly religious liberals. not all of them are christian- some are wiccan, jewish, hindu, taoist, or even muslim, but all of those religions believe in some kind of manifestation of god. i find it utterly ludicrous that you would presume so much as to dismiss all liberal opinions or mantras as pure illusion. surely you’re not so ignorant as to be that closeminded?

Posted by: abby on April 2, 2003 9:37 PM
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