100,000 Dead Islanders seek to un-baptize themselves

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100,000 secular Britons seek ‘de-baptism’

LONDON (AFP)—More than 100,000 Britons have recently downloaded “certificates of de-baptism” from the Internet to renounce their Christian faith.

The initiative launched by a group called the National Secular Society (NSS) follows atheist campaigns here and elsewhere, including a London bus poster which triggered protests by proclaiming “There’s probably no God.”

“We now produce a certificate on parchment and we have sold 1,500 units at three pounds (4.35 dollars, 3.20 euros) a pop,” said NSS president Terry Sanderson, 58.

John Hunt, a 58-year-old from London and one of the first to try to be “de-baptised,” held that he was too young to make any decision when he was christened at five months old.

The male nurse said he approached the Church of England to ask it to remove his name. “They said they had sought legal advice and that I should place an announcement in the London Gazette,” said Hunt, referring to one of the official journals of record of the British government.

So that’s what he did—his notice of renouncement was published in the Gazette in May 2008 and other Britons have followed suit.

Michael Evans, 66, branded baptising children as “a form of child abuse”—and said that when he complained to the church where he was christened he was told to contact the European Court of Human Rights.

The Church of England said its official position was not to amend its records. “Renouncing baptism is a matter between the individual and God,” a Church spokesman told AFP.

“We are not a ‘membership’ church, and do not keep a running total of the number of baptised people in the Church of England, and such totals do not feature in the statistics that we regularly publish,” he added.

De-baptism organisers say the initiative is a response to what they see as increasing stridency from churches—the latest last week when Pope Benedict XVI stirred global controversy on a trip to AIDS-ravaged Africa by saying condom use could further spread of the disease.

“The Catholic Church is so politically active at the moment that I think that is where the hostility is coming from,” said Sanderson. “In Catholic countries there is a very strong feeling of wanting to punish the church by leaving it.”

In Britain, where government figures say nearly 72 percent of the population list themselves as Christian, Sanderson feels this “hostility” is fuelling the de-baptism movement.

Theologian Paul Murray at Durham University disagrees. “That is not my experience,” he said, but concedes that change is in the air.

“We are in an interesting climate where Catholicism and other belief systems have moved into the public, pluralist arena, alongside secularists,” he said.

De-baptism movements have already sprung up in other countries.

In Spain, the high court ruled in favour of a man from Valencia, Manuel Blat, saying that under data protection laws he could have the record of his baptism erased, according to a report in the International Herald Tribune.

Similarly, the Italian Union of Rationalists and Agnostics (UAAR) won a legal battle over the right to file for de-baptism in 2002, according to media reports. The group’s website carries a “de-baptism” form to facilitate matters.

According to UAAR secretary Raffaele Carcano, more than 60,000 of these forms have been downloaded in the past four years and continue to be downloaded at a rate of about 2,000 per month. Another 1,000 were downloaded in one day when the group held its first national de-baptism day last October 25.

Elsewhere, an Argentinian secularist movement is running a “Collective Apostasy” campaign, using the slogan “Not in my name” (No en mi nombre).

Sanderson hopes rulings in other European countries will pave the way for legal action in Britain, since European Union directives require a level of parity among member states’ legislation.

“That would be a good precedent for us to say to the British Information Commissioner: Come on, what’s your excuse?” said Sanderson.

The bus-side posters that hit London in January sported the message: “There’s probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.”

The scheme was in response to pro-Christian adverts on buses directing passers-by to a website warning those who did not accept Jesus would suffer for eternity in hell.

Comedy writer Ariane Sherine, mastermind of the British bus campaign that saw a copycat version in Barcelona and other cities, said she backs the “de-baptism” movement but insisted the two initiatives were separate.

Sanderson meanwhile remains resolute. “The fact that people are willing to pay for the parchments shows how seriously they are taking them,” he said.

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Tim W. writes:

So they’re renouncing their baptism because the Catholic Church is becoming more strident. What a ridiculous assertion. Christian churches are more liberal than ever and less effective than ever in the few areas where they remain conservative, and that includes the Catholic Church and the Church of England. But as these churches track leftward, their more liberal stance is redefined as being “ultraconservative” and unacceptable.

Meanwhile, Britain defers ever more to its lone strident religion, Islam. Any bets on someone placing an ad on buses which says, “There’s probably no Allah, so stop worrying and enjoy life?” Something tells me that Dawkins and his pet comedy writer wouldn’t dare.

Ben W. writes:

I just came across the NBRV (Newly British Revised Version) Bible, updated for the new phenomenon of debaptism in England. Compare Romans 6:1-4 in the old (KJV) and new (NBRV) styles:

King James Version:

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Newly British Revised Version:

What shall we say then? Shall we discontinue grace that Islam may abound? Certainly! How shall we who died to history live any longer in Christ? Or do you not know that as many of us as were debaptized from Christ Jesus were baptized into our death? Therefore we were buried by Islam through immigration into death, that just as Mohammed was raised from the dead by the glory of the Imam, even so we also should walk in the Muslim life.

I think the editors of the NBRV picked up perfectly Paul’s tone for the new age. Exciting how language reinforces eternal verities through the ages.

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Adela G. writes:

I was surprised to see no mention of Rowan Williams leading the pack on this one. Perhaps he’s too busy with something more pressing, such as spearheading an initiative to place a minaret atop Canterbury Cathedral.

LA replies:

No, even as he puts down Christianity and promotes Islam, he ALSO complains that Christianity is being slighted in today’s Britain! I jsut saw a story on that the other day,.

Adela replies:

Yes, I saw that also.

I’m surprised to find you applying logic and reason to his thought process, Mr. Auster.

To the Archbishop’s way of thinking (and I use that word advisedly), the more Christian you are, the less Christian you are and vice versa. I figured that Williams would de-baptize himself to show his solidarity with Islam; that being, of course, the Christian thing to do.

A. Zarkov writes:

There’s an old joke about a rabbi who decides to convert to Christianity and become a preacher. He starts of his first sermon with the statement “Welcome my fellow Goyim.”

I have to ask these secular Britons, “If you no longer believe in your religion, then why do you need to become de-baptized? It seems to me that the very act of seeking to renounce one’s baptism implies a lingering belief in church doctrines. Of course the whole exercise might have more to do with symbolism than anything else.

As a teenager my daughter asked me if we could have her birth certificate changed so she was no longer officially born in the city of Berkeley California. She had come to realize that Berkeley was full of liberals and lunatics, and felt embarrassed to have been born there.

Posted by Lawrence Auster at March 31, 2009 09:09 AM | Send

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