Conservatives are not Americans, Dean tells Arabs

Howard Dean reads leading conservatives out of America, gets standing ovation from Arab group.
Posted by Lawrence Auster at October 19, 2003 10:03 AM | Send

Some comments about Dean from the lively, mainstream Republican website,

Reply 5 - Posted by: Tulsa, 10/19/2003 2:30:07 PM

I’ll say it again. He’s going to blow on national teevee and I have the vcr ready to go.

Reply 6 - Posted by: shamus, 10/19/2003 3:07:44 PM

Dean is like Clinton but without the charm.

Reply 7 - Posted by: LoveGW, 10/19/2003 3:10:44 PM

Dean is like Clinton, but without the impeachment.

Reply 8 - Posted by: MarsNeedsWomen, 10/19/2003 3:14:26 PM

Dean is like McGovern without the war hero record to make people forget what a wuss he is.

Posted by: Lawrence Auster on October 19, 2003 3:45 PM

Funny, I thought that Arabs and Moslems were another group that the Republicans were going to woo because of they are naturally so conservative.

Isn’t it the case that Orthodox Jews tend to vote Democratic (even the real ones, not the Joe Lieberman types)?

Posted by: Steve Jackson on October 20, 2003 7:12 AM

Mr. Jackson is quite right. This needs to be brought out more. U.S. Muslims I believe gave a majority of their votes to Bush in 2000 (though there’s no way to know for sure). Now they’re 98 percent against him. Why the switch? In 2000, he said he was against racial profiling of Muslims, and pushed for restraints on law enforcement methods used against terror suspects. Then came 9/11, and Bush rounded up lots of Muslim suspects. So that’s how deep the “conservatism” of Muslims goes. As long as you don’t enforce the law against the illegal aliens and terrorists and supporters of terror in their midst, they like you fine; but if you try to defend your country against the extremists in their midst, they turn against you. Let us try to build a multicultural society on that basis, shall we?

As for Orthodox Jewry, sometimes it’s quite local considerations that prevail. Mrs. Clinton in 2000 paid a visit to the New Square community in Rockland County and expressed support for their members who had been indicted for fraud, and virtually every vote in the village went for her, under the orders of their rebbe. But the community of Kiryas Joel, also in New York States, voted Republican because Republicans were on their side in their long-running court case seeking the right to make special provisions for their students because of their religious regulations. But I think the overall tendency among Orthodox Jews is to vote Democratic. They have a deep seated conviction that Democrats create a more welcoming society for Jews than Republicans, despite the fact that Democrats are more associated with the cultural degradation that Orthodox Jews oppose. What I’ve heard from a member of that community is that the Orthodox don’t really care much about what happens to the larger society, but only about how the larger society treats them. And they have a fixed notion that the Democrats are better for them than Republicans.

Posted by: Lawrence Auster on October 20, 2003 8:19 AM

I suppose the point of this is that real conservatives (Moslems and Orthodox Jews) and alleged conservatives (Hispanic Catholics) lose their conservatism as soon as they become part of America’s multi-cultural love fest. (I gather Moslems tend to vote this way in Europe, as well.) With “conservatives” like these, who needs liberals.

More to the point, this shows that Republicans and conservatives have to mobilize their white base, as Sam Francis has pointed out. Yet this becomes more difficult as immigration continues.

Posted by: Steve Jackson on October 20, 2003 5:59 PM

Actually, Orthodox Jews, at least in NY, tend to vote for socially conservative Republicans and Democrats. The little ghettos generally vote according to local concerns. As such, they can be bought by Democrats. However, Modern Orthodox Jews are reliable Republicans.

Of all places, a city council race is somewhat competitive in the upper west side (yes, Moscow on the Hudson) because of the influx of Modern Orthodox replacing the older Jewish stalinists.

Overall Jews voted overwhelmingly for Republicans in 3 of the last 4 Mayoral races, twice against Jewish democrats.

Posted by: Ron on October 21, 2003 2:02 PM

Thanks to Ron for that clarification.

Posted by: Lawrence Auster on October 21, 2003 2:12 PM

The only thing worse than Dean’s statement expropriating “America” from conservatives was who he says it belongs to:
“This flag belongs to every single American, including every single American in this room, and is the hope and aspiration for many other folks who are not yet citizens.”
In other words, America does not belong to its founding but to an open Fifth column and to non-citizens.

FA Hayek understood this Gramscite tactic

“The most effective way of making people accept the validity of the values they are to serve is to persuade them that they are really the same as those which they…have always held, but which were not properly understood or recognized before.
And the most efficient technique to this end is to use the old words but change their meaning.
Few traits of totalitarian regimes are at the same time so confusing to the superficial observer and yet so characteristic of the whole intellectual climate as the complete perversion of language, the change of meaning of the words by which the ideals of the new regimes are expressed.”

Dean, Kucinich, Clark et all do not yet represent a new regime. They represent the new class which is trying to take over the US and the world.

Posted by: Ron on October 21, 2003 4:42 PM

I recall reading that Schumer won the Orthodox Jewish vote. Also, what about nation wide?

Posted by: Steve Jackson on October 21, 2003 6:04 PM

“I recall reading that Schumer won the Orthodox Jewish vote.”
Yes he did cary the Jewish vote by about 70-25%. Schumer came off as a relatively moderate, pro-Israel democrat.
He represented a heavily Jewish district for years by koshering federal pork. As I noted before, the self-segregating ghettos can be bought.

Schumer was a good candidate for the Democrats. Frankly, the NY Republican party won’t run any serious candidates against him. (NYS GOP chairman Sandy Treadwell wants to be the default candidate, or designated loser)
As far as I know, the only Republicans running are two Jews.

On the other hand, a more openly liberal, Mark Green won the Jewish vote by 15% in a year when Democrats swept the state. I believe that had it been an off year, D’Amato would have won it.

Posted by: Ron on October 22, 2003 2:37 AM

Sorry, Mr. Jackson, I am afraid you have your “facts” all wrong. You sound like someone who does not associate himself much with Muslims, and you make no attempts to conceal that, but just for future reference, it is not just “terrorists” that Bush is profiling.

Posted by: islam on February 15, 2004 4:15 AM
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