Liberalism and Islam

Here’s a new angle on a subject often discussed at VFR, the inner connection between liberalism and Islam. R. Emmett Tyrrell writes:

The American left is the only intellectual force in Western history to gain moral superiority by being wrong. In world history, I can think of only one other movement that has gained moral and intellectual superiority in this way, the mullahs of Islamic fundamentalism.

Posted by Lawrence Auster at May 09, 2003 03:47 AM | Send
    
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Unfortunately, Islamic fundamentalism is coddled in its error by academics, liberals & conservatives alike, who continually claim that “true” historical Islam was and is a religion more tolerant and civilized than any others on the cultural scene. A recent exchange I had with the moderator of an history listserv proved to me that the default academic position is in favor of Islamic tolerance. Anyone claiming otherwise had better have done years of research in order to refute the Islamist apologists and Pro-Muslem slant of the academy.

Posted by: Daniel Crandall on May 9, 2003 12:46 PM

When I took World History in college my professors preached the gospel of Islamic tolerance to the T. I’d always score cheap points by asking them how the Sultan recruited Janizarries.

Posted by: Jason Eubanks on May 9, 2003 1:48 PM

Well, why is liberalism and Islamism still gaining adherents despite being “wrong?” Will Mr. Terrell tell us why? The answer is that some people think it benefits them. More of these people are coming into this country.

Similarly, the argument that “Affirmative Action hurts blacks,” doesn’t work. Blacks know they gain from it. Radical Islam wants to tear down Western society. Will Mr. Terrell oppose bringing Islamists into the US? He hasn’t up to now. A well-known writer on immigration told me that Terrell is very pro-open borders.

Posted by: David on May 9, 2003 10:08 PM

To use an old, silly internet phrase “LOL”.

Islam and Liberalism has about as much in common as Sumo Wrestling and Pro Wrestling. The liberal agenda is thoroughly different from Islam. It is also OPPOSED to Islam, as it is opposed to all forms of genuine tradition and spirituality, and only accepted the highly westernized/democraticized version of it. Just as they do with Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and Buddism. Their differences go to the core. Then again, new Islamic fundamentalism is a whole other issue, as it is really not connected to traditional Islam except in words (and no, I am not saying that “old Islam” was more “tolerant”; why should it be?).

This “Islam is intolerant” sounds pretty hollow comming from traditionalists; being one myself the fight for “tolerance” is something I leave to the liberals and leftists. Then again, consistency obviously isn’t one of the stronger points on this forum. In fact, I don’t know what is anymore, now that it has transformed into a sludgepool of borgeoise american xenophobia. And I never thought I’d use ANY of those words, being very much opposed to both socialism and immigration, but reading this drivel forces me. FASCISM is the ideology of narrow minded, middle class racists, not traditionalism. And even fascism had it brighter moments when it came to other cultures, whereas here we seem to have some sort of oil-driven middle ages going on.. Bizarre, to say the least.

Posted by: Kali Yuga Cowboy on May 13, 2003 6:57 AM

Somehow I get the idea that Kali Cowboy doesn’t like this site, but it’s impossible to tell why, since his comment consists of nothing but name-calling. Perhaps he’s hoping to be the next Paul Krugman.

In any case, onward to the Oil-Driven Middle-Class Middle Ages!

Posted by: Lawrence Auster on May 13, 2003 8:35 AM
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