Exchange with Jonah Goldberg

Jonah Goldberg, editor of National Review Online, was not pleased with my brief send-up of Mark Goldblatt’s NRO piece “What is Racism.” I had sent them both a copy of it on Monday, and when I went online Tuesday morning I received a long message from Mr. Goldblatt explaining his article further, and a much shorter note from his editor Mr. Goldberg, which read as follows:

“Hilarious that you think I would care what you have to say after that bulls**t shot. Sorry, but it’s much easier to ignore this sort of silliness than you may think.”

Here’s my reply to Mr. Goldberg, followed by the rest of our exchange:

LA to JG:

Yes, Jonah, my piece criticizing Goldblatt’s article was so silly and so full of bulls**t that Goldblatt wrote me an e-mail with a lengthy careful explanation of his views. As hard as this may be for you to understand, some people are actually interested in ideas and truth.

JG to LA:

Hey you might have made perfectly valid points about Goldblatt or maybe Goldblatt is hyper-concerned about criticism. I don’t care, as I said.

My point is that your potshot about NR being incapable of speaking honestly about race because we’re young sell-outs was bulls**t. The fact that you may or may not have had good points only underscores the fact that you’re being stupid for taking unfounded, bad faith, potshots just to sound more pure. I’m perfectly willing to deal with ideas and truth, I just don’t debate people who publicly start from the position that I’m incapable of speaking intelligently. What I find hilarious is your ghetto mentality. But hey, who am I to lecture you?

LA to JG:

I did not intend to imply that you’re sellouts, only that you’re members of a conservative establishment that has a long established record of saying that race doesn’t matter, of embracing utopian notions of racial sameness, of attacking anyone who says that race and ethnicity does matter (for example, your vicious and ignorant attack on immigration reformers a few months ago in the Los Angeles Times*), and therefore that, based on that record, there was a rational assumption on the part of this reader that an article at NRO entitled “What is Racism?” was going to end up reflecting the prevailing liberal orthodoxy on the subject—which in fact turned out to be the case.

JG to LA:

That’s all fine by me, if that’s what you meant—though that is hardly what it reads like.

And, your description of how NR or NRO has dealt with race is, I think, bogus. It is typical of the Vdare crowd to assert that anyone who disagrees with their approach to race has been co-opted by liberal orthodoxy. It is a juvenile approach.

And as for my LA Times piece, I pulled my punches.

LA to JG:

I didn’t say the establishment conservatives have been co-opted by liberal orthodoxy. I said they believe in it.

As for your LA Times article, if I were to call it a disgrace, I’d be pulling my punches.

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*”Immigration: Ideologues Have Hijacked an Important Debate,” Jonah Goldberg, The Los Angeles Times, February 24, 2002.


Posted by Lawrence Auster at August 07, 2002 12:17 AM | Send
    

Comments

Excellent! Wow! At the risk of sounding like a sycophant, I must say VIEW FROM THE RIGHT is getting better and better. I’ve always thought that Goldberg comes across at NRO as a spoilt child, and now I see he’s that way in private correspondence too. Thanks for helping to set the record straight on that thumb-sucking neo-con. When are these neo-con immigration extremists going to admit they’ve lost the argument?

Posted by: William (proud supporter of the "VDARE crowd") on August 7, 2002 7:52 AM

JG is remarkably sensitive on some subjects. Wonder why?

Posted by: Jim Kalb on August 7, 2002 8:17 AM

Because, as Steve Sailer has pointed out, when it comes to immigration Goldberg and the neo-con crowd are defending the indefensible. And they know it.

Posted by: William on August 7, 2002 9:54 AM

Hrmmm… I wonder if this will show up on “The Corner”.

;)

Posted by: John on August 7, 2002 11:12 AM

I doubt it. Not only would it be beneath the NRO crowd to draw attention to the good faith arguments of the dreaded “paleocons,” but…have you seen it lately? The discussions at The Corner are about as deep as a parking lot puddle. It’s embarrassing.

Robert Locke recently wrote that if we are to make any progress, it is imperative that the right control the media in this country. I completely agree with him, but the concern remains: if the neo-con kids at NR and NRO can’t even be straightened out, I don’t know how we’re going to take back the New York Times.

Posted by: William on August 7, 2002 3:53 PM

My suggestion about the corner was in jest. :) I started reading NRO last year, and they have only gotten worse.

The only way I see paleos taking back the New York Times in thes short term is if someone buys it and phases in writers like Mr. Kalb and Mr. Auster and others.

As for the the other media, I think popular entertainment has somewhat more importance than the nightly news. There are plenty of stories out there that would make excellent movies, games, etc representing the old virtues in a positive light. Popular music would be harder, of course.

Posted by: John on August 7, 2002 9:32 PM
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